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Re: The importance of research

Post  whitestarling on Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:11 pm

Thats a good question LW. I was wondering how they reacted to each other as we have Poppy, and after Mrs S saw the pic of Sage at a few weeks old, said she wanted one, and I said No . Then EG was saying go on get her one ( Stirrer )

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Re: The importance of research

Post  Eurasian Guy on Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:44 pm

Generally Birds are quite fragile with their honeycombe but thin bones but when it comes to the broad wing hunters particularly they are fierce I will put a link at the bottom to give you an idea of how fierce they can be when hunting I will find something to demonstrate what I mean (although I apologise before because it will show nature doing what it does to survive).
The thing is sage is very well manned so she is very calm with us & other humans. Our cocker is really happy going but at the same time brave as any other dog I have seen, she takes no prisoners if a dog has a go at her that said the second she saw sage as a chick she started to run to her to play then stopped dead in her tracks? she sensed something about the bird? it may have been the smell of rotting meat on her breath but something told that dog not to mess with that bird the cat did the exact same thing, cockers are only a small dog & our cat although he is a really big one he is small in the scheme of things, (I am going somewhere with this) if the owl had the chance & wanted to she would very easily kill both the cat or dog in seconds. How I usually explain it is if you were marooned on an island in the middle of the ocean & on one side was bunny rabbits on the other sabre tooth tigers which would you hunt & why? So just because they can eat & kill large prey does not mean they will maybe in the harshest of winters with almost no other prey they do take foxes or dear but normally they would take voles, mice, rats rabbits & hare. In short you have to put in time to keep them tame, the more time the more tame.
Watch the whole thing it looks like it repeats but it doesn’t it will give you an idea what these broad wing hunters are capable of, there are many video’s showing wolves being hunted by eagles bearing in mind the wolves will take bison & buffalo very big & powerful prey yet the eagle take these down for food despite the wolf putting up a fight.
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Post  Eurasian Guy on Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:58 pm

i thought i would post a picture taken 3 mins ago just to show you they are all fine.

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Post  Laikipia on Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:26 pm

Gorgeous photo EG - Sage is stunning and your spaniel is beautiful ( and knows it Laughing ).

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Post  littlewid on Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:19 pm

Reading your post almost made up my mind about going further into thinking about rearing and owning an owl. Now I have seen that footage, which is nature I know but also gruesome has almost made up my mind 100%.
I would definiately put in the time with an owl but having an owl co-habiting with my dog and cats may not be a good idea.
You could be just very lucky with Sage and Tia and your cat Dillon but my Cocker Nero can be wary but he is also very stupid and bumbles in without thinking and my Maine Coon cats are extremely extravert and bold and dominate Nero but they also do not have much sense of fear. They are large cats but they also believe themselves to be bigger than they are, the kind of animal that is a Cheetah but believes it's the powerhouse of a Lion.
I would be extremely nervous that the owl could flip and kill one of them and I couldn't put them in that kind of situation or danger.
It looks as though my head is going to rule my heart over this one and I will just have to admire from a distance, increase my knowledge of owls but sadly not take it that step further.
That is a lovely photo of Sage and Tia, both as pretty as each other.
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Post  Eurasian Guy on Fri Dec 16, 2011 4:31 pm

LW you are right to think about it hard, Kate my partner cannot hold sage as she is to heavy (sage I mean not my partner, although a few less cake's would not hurt her lol) anyway as a result she is thinking about getting a smaller owl either a scoops owl or a little owl or even a barn owl all of who could scratch you or your pets but not much worse so my advice is Google them owls, they can be really lovely & less of a worry....let me know what you do.
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Post  littlewid on Fri Dec 16, 2011 5:19 pm

Thanks EG, I will. I am going to continue to ask questions and read your website and posts on here and learn as much as I can.I don't know much about Scoops Owls so thats one for Google. Barn Owls I have read about before and that was what Wesley was and I remember Stacey mentioning the scratches she had from him but that was in the initial stages as he was growing up.
My love of owls is still there and my quest for knowledge and I still want to hear and see more of Sage as she is adorable.
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Post  Eurasian Guy on Fri Dec 16, 2011 6:23 pm

No worries LW
Personally i think the little owls are really very cute but there are so many others out there another one of my favourites is the snowy the males are different to the females but they are both brill & so so cute the baby snowy owls are brill.
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Post  littlewid on Sat Dec 17, 2011 6:22 pm

I have been going through some sites on Google and at the moment i'm looking at Scoops owls, there are quite a few species of them from what I can make out.
I'm also on the hunt for a good book EG so if you have any recommendations that would be great. In the mean time, my search on Google goes on and i'm making a little log of what I find and points for and against.

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Post  Eurasian Guy on Sat Dec 17, 2011 7:54 pm

the owl i wrote about the other day Mozart belongs to Jemima parry jones MBE she wrote a book called understanding owls i have a copy that is quite good, worth getting, it’s a more general book on owls but it gives you a good insight & a great starting point.it has a picture of an owls eye on the front funnily enough i believe its Mozart’s eye. enjoy the whole thing even the thinking period.
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Post  littlewid on Sun Dec 18, 2011 3:42 pm

Thanks Ian I will try and hunt that one out in the week if not look at Amazon for it. I am enjoying the research and Google search is working overtime Very Happy

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Post  whitestarling on Sun Dec 18, 2011 6:23 pm

affraid Supposed to be Easy Search LW
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Post  Eurasian Guy on Sun Dec 18, 2011 6:37 pm

If LW does end up getting a new pet I would suggest a naming post should be set up when & if LW decides what type of owl she decides to go for so it suits the owlet / owl? LW could then shortlist say three then hold votes on those three names then LW can decide for herself but she can use the voting as one of the considerations? what do you think WS

p.s. that book is easily available for under £10 (including p&p) but i will try to find you a junk free reliable free downloadable copy, if & when i do i'll post you a link.
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Post  whitestarling on Sun Dec 18, 2011 11:39 pm

Might be a good idea if, LW after her research eventualy decides to get one. I was wondering how Owls cope with long periods on their own, and not a great deal of exercise. Like working round work commitments, if your going to work in the dark, and returning in the dark, at this time of year. Especialy if you have other pets to consider, and their needs, like walking the Dog ect. I would have thought your time you could spend with each would be a bit limited.
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Re: The importance of research

Post  Eurasian Guy on Mon Dec 19, 2011 10:21 am

WS makes fair points re the care of owls but it really depends on what you want from your owl, if you are looking for an aviary bird WS’s points are not so valid remembering there are many owls or other raptors who are unsuitable for return to the wild so are kept in aviaries these can be wild or semi wild birds with injuries which stop them from being able to feed themselves, or birds which have been neglected in manning terms so have become less handle able so have become less tame aviary birds. The more time you spend with your bird the more relaxed they will be around man. I would say you need to spend at least a couple of hours a day but that can be in the form of on a perch in your house so long as it’s getting time with you. In short you need to see what you can offer & see if they can match your expectations. You cannot get a bird throw food in twice a day they once a week walk in have it fly to you & be your friend if this is what is wanted you need to work at it like a marriage it needs working on.
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Post  whitestarling on Mon Dec 19, 2011 12:07 pm

Another thought I had was do Owls get annoyed if you make a fuss of other pets, as they may look on you as their mate, as I believe some parrots do, different species I know, but I wondered how they tend to review the relationship with you. I'm not being negative just trying to explore all the pros, and cons
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Post  Eurasian Guy on Mon Dec 19, 2011 2:30 pm

It depends on what sort upbringing your bird has had, if say it’s an imprint it will think it is a human it should not suffer from jealousy (unlike our dog).
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Post  Eurasian Guy on Mon Dec 19, 2011 4:05 pm

sage is not very well today, she has developed an infection she has been to the vets you can see from the picture that she has an infection of the tongue, she has been given antibiotics & a swab taken i will keep you all informed as to her progress, i was advised it is common for their tongue to go sometimes tern white ish or yellow ish but decided to be on the safe side by going to the vets just in case, the vets were just as struck by her as were the people in the waiting room so much so both the vet & the nurse asked could they have their picture taken with her (which is most peoples reaction) she is still eating & playing but since going to the vets she is a little more reserved but we had to man handle her to administer the antibiotics.
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Post  Laikipia on Mon Dec 19, 2011 4:22 pm

That woke me up EG - poor Sage, I hope she'll make a speedy recovery.

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Post  Eurasian Guy on Mon Dec 19, 2011 4:24 pm

she seems not to bad so at this stage we are hopeful, but we will update every day
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Post  Laikipia on Mon Dec 19, 2011 5:59 pm

That's a relief, fingers crossed for Sage being better in time for Christmas - please keep us posted Ian.

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Post  whitestarling on Mon Dec 19, 2011 6:02 pm

I hope Sage is starting to feel a bit better, and the antibiotics work EG. I'm not surprised the Vets wanted their photo taken with her. I'd be chuffed to have mine taken next to such a stunning Bird
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Post  Eurasian Guy on Mon Dec 19, 2011 7:45 pm


Well been back in touch with the vets this evening as just noticed Dillon our cat is weeing blood, have rushed him over as a matter of urgency he has had antibiotics plus anti-inflammatory drugs plus special foods plus a spray plus special capsules for when the food runs out Kate was in tears now with two of our animals very ill.
Thank you for the support & interest I will keep you all up to speed, sage seems her normal self again now after the prodding & poking & three people holding her still & having needles shoved into her. I am sure Dillon will be OK it can be fatal but I think we got it in time, the vets seem to like us cannot understand why????????????????
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Post  Laikipia on Mon Dec 19, 2011 8:12 pm

Oh that's dreadful news EG - poor little Dillon. Thankfully you got him to the vet, and fingers crossed he will be okay with all the pills and tlc you both are giving him.

Good news that Sage is settled after her ordeal at the vet.

What a time you are having at the moment, I do hope that's it now.

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Post  whitestarling on Mon Dec 19, 2011 9:50 pm

Flippin eck EG what a nightmare your both having. Our Poppy had a problem with blood in her urine, a couple of years ago. It was crystels in her urine that was causing the blood. She given anti inflamatory tablets, and antibiotics. Plus a special food diet called Royla Canin Urinary dry food, and chicken pouches. She's been fine since, on that food. I really hope the outcomes the same for Dillion. We are both thinking of you, and Kate, and keeping our fingers X
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