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Post  Mara Mad on Thu Mar 15, 2012 8:31 pm

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Post  RMorr50912 on Thu Mar 15, 2012 10:47 pm

Beautiful pictures MM!I particularly like the little lion cub in the tall flowers and the serval pics. Thanks for sharing them

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Post  whitestarling on Thu Mar 15, 2012 11:14 pm

Great photos MM thanks, it looks a beautiful area. As Ronnie says the one of the Cub in the flowers is a cracker, and it looks as though the Jackle is getting a few sraps. It seems there's quite a diversity of animals there. You must be having great memories going through you photos
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Post  Laikipia on Fri Mar 16, 2012 8:08 am

WOW Mara Mad - thanks for sharing those lovely photos. It looks beautiful there, not only the wildlife but the flowers and the mountains. What a wonderful time you must have had.

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Post  Doogs on Mon Mar 19, 2012 1:40 pm

More wonderful photos MM, love them cheers

I Agree about the shot of the cub in the flowers, lovely. Brilliant you also saw a Serval and Rhino Cool

What time of the year did you go ?

We went in September 2008 and I must say we were really disappointed with the Crater. We were there for two days and hardly saw any animals, it was an awful lot of money to pay for what we got. We also didn't like our driver which didn't help matters No Unfortunatley after that experience we would not return to the Crater again.
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Post  Mara Mad on Mon Mar 19, 2012 3:32 pm

Hi Doogs

We were in the Crater early May 2008. We saw a lot of animals - including the ones I have posted here but also saw a Honey Badger, bat-eared foxes, African Wild Cats, lots of birds of prey etc. Didn't see leopard. We also didn't like our driver (Sammy) funnily enough (lazy and loathe to spend time with particular animals) and whilst we saw lots of animals it did feel a little zoo-like because it is quite enclosed. And it is VERY expensive. I remember seeing a programme on TV a few years ago about the lions in the Crater being ill because of the in-breeding and lack of new blood coming in from outside. The crater was really beautiful with all the flowers though! Sorry you had such a bad experience. Sad

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Post  whitestarling on Mon Mar 19, 2012 10:24 pm

I remember that programe as well MM. Lions from outside the crater were unable to get in, and the Lions inside the crater were unable to get out or did;nt want to if I remember right
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Post  Mara Mad on Tue Mar 20, 2012 8:02 am

That's righrt WS. Must say the lions we saw all looked pretty healthy - I wonder whether there is some intervention by bringing in new blood to widen the gene pool??

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Post  whitestarling on Tue Mar 20, 2012 10:35 am

I do'nt know MM, but I may have a look to see if I can find any info
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Post  Doogs on Tue Mar 20, 2012 1:33 pm

I remember watching that programme too.

I've found this - not sure when it was written but there's a section on 'Inbreeding' and 'Potential Solutions to Inbreeding at Ngorongoro'

Potential Solutions to Inbreeding at Ngorongoro
Would reintroduction necessarily work in the Ngorongoro region? One complicating factor would be the presence of Maasai cattle herders and warriors. The lions in the crater today know not to venture out and approach the grazing herds of cows, but should new lions be introduced, they could easily make the mistake of treating Maasai herds as simple targets, getting themselves killed by a spear in the process. It is one thing to place a ban on hunting, but the NCAA places the interests of the local people on a par with the interests of the wild animals. It is therefore out of the question to even ask the Maasai not to kill animals who threaten their very livelihood.


Full article here : www.behav.org/student_essay/carnivores/lion/mccabe_Ngorongoro_lions.pdf
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Post  Laikipia on Tue Mar 20, 2012 3:07 pm

Thanks for that Doogs - an interesting read.

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Post  whitestarling on Tue Mar 20, 2012 9:54 pm

Thats a great find Doogs thanks, saved me a lot of digging. Really interesting article, and it shows that whats happened is through nature, not by human interference, if you discount the Masai who are after all part of the natural diversity of the area. So do we interfer, and play God as the article says in one part, or do we let nature take its own course
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Post  Safari Maiden on Wed Mar 21, 2012 11:28 am

I remember our Guide Lucas, he was amazing could spot Rhino on the horizon which we thought were two boulders until we used the binos. He would just say let me know when you are finished in a particular place and we can move on. All the time scanning the horizon or trees to see what he could find for us, while we were taking pics etc. When we go again, it will be back with Lucas. He even had no trouble getting a camera battery for my camera when it started playing up (had brand new batteries in it when we started our safari). He was just fantastic!

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Post  Doogs on Wed Mar 21, 2012 9:27 pm

Didn't know you had been at the Crater before SM. When were you there ? Some guides are absolutely amazing at spotting animals and Lucas certainly sounds like he is one of them.

Our guide at the Mara (Vincent) had this little set of binnoculars but we all thought they must have been great as he was forever spotting things that none of the rest of us could see. Ian looked through them one day and they were absolutely awful, didn't know how he could have spotted anything in them, they were that bad No I bought Ian new binnoculars for his birthday last year so he took his old set with him then left them with Vincent before we left, he was over the moon with them, gave Ian a great big hug which was so un-Vincent like, it was lovely, I'll always remember that moment Very Happy Cool
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Post  whitestarling on Wed Mar 21, 2012 10:50 pm

What a brilliant gesture by Ian, Doogs, and so very thoughtful I bet Vincent was absolutely over the moon, and I'm sure as you say it must be a lasting memory
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Post  Doogs on Thu Mar 22, 2012 1:35 pm

He really really was WS, it still makes me smile remembering that moment Very Happy
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Post  Anne-Marie1981 on Thu Mar 22, 2012 2:33 pm

Thats a lovely story Doogs. I'm sat here with a great big Very Happy on my face. Well done Ian
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Post  Laikipia on Fri Mar 23, 2012 8:40 am

Group Hug that's really lovely Doogs. As you say some of the guides have just the worst binos ever, how they can see anything I can't imagine! They have the best eyes though it never ceases to amaze me what they can spot.

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Post  Doogs on Fri Mar 23, 2012 1:01 pm

I Agree Lai Pai :)
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Post  Safari Maiden on Fri Mar 23, 2012 1:12 pm

Yes Doogs, TT and I did the Arusha, Tarangire, Ngorongoro Crater, Serengeti and Lake Manyara loop, for our Honeymoon. Totally amazing!

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Post  Doogs on Fri Mar 23, 2012 2:01 pm

Fantastic SM
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