Ngorongoro Crater 2008
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Re: Ngorongoro Crater 2008
Beautiful pictures MM!I particularly like the little lion cub in the tall flowers and the serval pics. Thanks for sharing them
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Great photos MM thanks, it looks a beautiful area. As Ronnie says the one of the Cub in the flowers is a cracker, and it looks as though the Jackle is getting a few sraps. It seems there's quite a diversity of animals there. You must be having great memories going through you photos
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Mara Mad - thanks for sharing those lovely photos. It looks beautiful there, not only the wildlife but the flowers and the mountains. What a wonderful time you must have had.
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More wonderful photos MM, love them
about the shot of the cub in the flowers, lovely. Brilliant you also saw a Serval and Rhino
What time of the year did you go ?
We went in September 2008 and I must say we were really disappointed with the Crater. We were there for two days and hardly saw any animals, it was an awful lot of money to pay for what we got. We also didn't like our driver which didn't help matters Unfortunatley after that experience we would not return to the Crater again.
about the shot of the cub in the flowers, lovely. Brilliant you also saw a Serval and Rhino
What time of the year did you go ?
We went in September 2008 and I must say we were really disappointed with the Crater. We were there for two days and hardly saw any animals, it was an awful lot of money to pay for what we got. We also didn't like our driver which didn't help matters Unfortunatley after that experience we would not return to the Crater again.
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Hi Doogs
We were in the Crater early May 2008. We saw a lot of animals - including the ones I have posted here but also saw a Honey Badger, bat-eared foxes, African Wild Cats, lots of birds of prey etc. Didn't see leopard. We also didn't like our driver (Sammy) funnily enough (lazy and loathe to spend time with particular animals) and whilst we saw lots of animals it did feel a little zoo-like because it is quite enclosed. And it is VERY expensive. I remember seeing a programme on TV a few years ago about the lions in the Crater being ill because of the in-breeding and lack of new blood coming in from outside. The crater was really beautiful with all the flowers though! Sorry you had such a bad experience.
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We were in the Crater early May 2008. We saw a lot of animals - including the ones I have posted here but also saw a Honey Badger, bat-eared foxes, African Wild Cats, lots of birds of prey etc. Didn't see leopard. We also didn't like our driver (Sammy) funnily enough (lazy and loathe to spend time with particular animals) and whilst we saw lots of animals it did feel a little zoo-like because it is quite enclosed. And it is VERY expensive. I remember seeing a programme on TV a few years ago about the lions in the Crater being ill because of the in-breeding and lack of new blood coming in from outside. The crater was really beautiful with all the flowers though! Sorry you had such a bad experience.
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I remember that programe as well MM. Lions from outside the crater were unable to get in, and the Lions inside the crater were unable to get out or did;nt want to if I remember right
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That's righrt WS. Must say the lions we saw all looked pretty healthy - I wonder whether there is some intervention by bringing in new blood to widen the gene pool??
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I remember watching that programme too.
I've found this - not sure when it was written but there's a section on 'Inbreeding' and 'Potential Solutions to Inbreeding at Ngorongoro'
Potential Solutions to Inbreeding at Ngorongoro
Would reintroduction necessarily work in the Ngorongoro region? One complicating factor would be the presence of Maasai cattle herders and warriors. The lions in the crater today know not to venture out and approach the grazing herds of cows, but should new lions be introduced, they could easily make the mistake of treating Maasai herds as simple targets, getting themselves killed by a spear in the process. It is one thing to place a ban on hunting, but the NCAA places the interests of the local people on a par with the interests of the wild animals. It is therefore out of the question to even ask the Maasai not to kill animals who threaten their very livelihood.
Full article here : www.behav.org/student_essay/carnivores/lion/mccabe_Ngorongoro_lions.pdf
I've found this - not sure when it was written but there's a section on 'Inbreeding' and 'Potential Solutions to Inbreeding at Ngorongoro'
Potential Solutions to Inbreeding at Ngorongoro
Would reintroduction necessarily work in the Ngorongoro region? One complicating factor would be the presence of Maasai cattle herders and warriors. The lions in the crater today know not to venture out and approach the grazing herds of cows, but should new lions be introduced, they could easily make the mistake of treating Maasai herds as simple targets, getting themselves killed by a spear in the process. It is one thing to place a ban on hunting, but the NCAA places the interests of the local people on a par with the interests of the wild animals. It is therefore out of the question to even ask the Maasai not to kill animals who threaten their very livelihood.
Full article here : www.behav.org/student_essay/carnivores/lion/mccabe_Ngorongoro_lions.pdf
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Thanks for that Doogs - an interesting read.
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Thats a great find Doogs thanks, saved me a lot of digging. Really interesting article, and it shows that whats happened is through nature, not by human interference, if you discount the Masai who are after all part of the natural diversity of the area. So do we interfer, and play God as the article says in one part, or do we let nature take its own course
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I remember our Guide Lucas, he was amazing could spot Rhino on the horizon which we thought were two boulders until we used the binos. He would just say let me know when you are finished in a particular place and we can move on. All the time scanning the horizon or trees to see what he could find for us, while we were taking pics etc. When we go again, it will be back with Lucas. He even had no trouble getting a camera battery for my camera when it started playing up (had brand new batteries in it when we started our safari). He was just fantastic!
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Didn't know you had been at the Crater before SM. When were you there ? Some guides are absolutely amazing at spotting animals and Lucas certainly sounds like he is one of them.
Our guide at the Mara (Vincent) had this little set of binnoculars but we all thought they must have been great as he was forever spotting things that none of the rest of us could see. Ian looked through them one day and they were absolutely awful, didn't know how he could have spotted anything in them, they were that bad I bought Ian new binnoculars for his birthday last year so he took his old set with him then left them with Vincent before we left, he was over the moon with them, gave Ian a great big hug which was so un-Vincent like, it was lovely, I'll always remember that moment
Our guide at the Mara (Vincent) had this little set of binnoculars but we all thought they must have been great as he was forever spotting things that none of the rest of us could see. Ian looked through them one day and they were absolutely awful, didn't know how he could have spotted anything in them, they were that bad I bought Ian new binnoculars for his birthday last year so he took his old set with him then left them with Vincent before we left, he was over the moon with them, gave Ian a great big hug which was so un-Vincent like, it was lovely, I'll always remember that moment
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What a brilliant gesture by Ian, Doogs, and so very thoughtful I bet Vincent was absolutely over the moon, and I'm sure as you say it must be a lasting memory
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He really really was WS, it still makes me smile remembering that moment
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Thats a lovely story Doogs. I'm sat here with a great big on my face. Well done Ian
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that's really lovely Doogs. As you say some of the guides have just the worst binos ever, how they can see anything I can't imagine! They have the best eyes though it never ceases to amaze me what they can spot.
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Lai Pai :)
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Yes Doogs, TT and I did the Arusha, Tarangire, Ngorongoro Crater, Serengeti and Lake Manyara loop, for our Honeymoon. Totally amazing!
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Fantastic SM
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