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Hello all
Thought I would update
Pups are doing great all gaining weight at around the same rate although the black & white roan looks massive compared to the girls.
The vet did not have enough of the meds which sage needed to complete a course but they said they would call us to let us know the extra had arrived as it was the holidays we finished what we had they never called but then she seemed cured so we were not overly worried.
The infection was clearly not completely cured as it has returned not with a vengeance but mildly so back to the vets got a new course but once again they did not have enough to complete the course but this time said a 5 day course should be enough however half hour before they agreed she needed a new 7 day course what changed was the receptionist told the vet they only had 1 3o ML bottle & quickly said 2 x 3ML per day equals 6 ML per day x 7 equals 42ML I was told by the vet he changed his mind (having seen many people over the years try to justify the easy option with bull s….t) this was a typical example his treatment of sage was based on their stock levels clearly not an acceptable way to practice we had very strong words about it & I have a meeting next week to take it up with the boss of the group……… my last statement about it all was my principle concern is the welfare of sage & if being pushy upsets the vet tuff so long as sage gets the care she is entitled to………. I am not happy about it.
Will keep you informed

Hi EG
Glad to hear that the Pups are coming on well. Thats the problem with a lot of Vet Practices these days, they have been taken over by Groups, amd there main concern always seems to be money, not the welfare of the animals they are treating. The Vets that we use has gone the same way, the couple who had it before were brilliant, friendy, and very careing that has all gone now . Good for you for sticking up for Sage, and as you say if the Vet does'nt lke it tough, its not him thats suffering, and not getting the correct medication. Hope you get it sorted
WS

Sorry to hear that EG and poor Sage, we are obviously very lucky with our vets, they are all superb and their care for Penny, who visits far too often being a over enthusiastic chaser of all things small and furry is 100% brilliant always. Perhaps we are just very fortunate.

Hoping Sage makes a full and speedy recovery soon.

Looking forward to more puppy and Tia photos

Lai

HI EG
Poor Sage and after you thought it had all gone, thats a real shame and definiately not nice for Sage, is she still eating ok? Please give her a warm get well wish from all of us in the Widdy household.
You were right to challenge the vet, thats not a way to treat animals and it must be very disappointing for you, I hope you get a better response when you speak with the boss.
Luckily our vets are independent, they do have three surgeries but they are all covered by our vets and no other practice covers for them in holiday times or out of hours, it is our own vets 24/7 52 wks of the year.
Glad all the pups are doing so well, that is nice to hear and lets hope that Sage gets better soon, she is lucky to have you fighting her corner for her EG.
Hope you and Kate have a good new year.
littlewid-x-

happy new year to all

ws is right about it all coming down to money which is a real shame, she is still good in herself so i am not very worried just a little concerned but i do expect her to recover 100%, she is eating fine which is always a good sign partic with birds.

what angered me about the vets is not only sage not getting the best care she can but also how they took me for a fool by trying to blag it with an explanation of that simultaneously giving anti biotics as well as the nystan but they were going to do the same whilst treating her on the 7 day cause of the nystan the only thing which changed was they only had 30ml of nystan hence we will reduce it to a 5 day course either she needs a full course or not stock levels should not even be a consideration.
best wishes everyone

Good to hear that Sage is ok and eating well EG.
It's never nice to think someone is trying to play you for a fool, I would feel exactly the same. It will be interesting to hear what the chief vet has to say when you speak to him.
Happy New year to you all.
littlewid-x-

Hi ya
sage's tongue is looking better today & we have a meeting this aft re the vet treatment & get some extra meds.
the pups this morn all have their eyes open not widly but open & for the fist time they are trying to stand & explore their surroundings so now the trouble starts, but lovely
WS funnily enough i was writting this when i got the email notice saying you had put up a link to sages FB page although i had already seen it as i came through to the post section, looks like you have been playing with coral draw or something to have cut out the image like that, cool.
sage has just bought up her meds again she did this 2 days ago but owls & oral meds i dont think go together as owls do castings?

Morning EG - good to hear that Sage's tongue is looking better today and that you've got a meeting with the vet. Fingers crossed you get these meds sorted and Sage doesn't keep having to take more and more.

Pete is convinced we are getting one of your female puppies as I keep telling him about them and honestly if you keep posting photos I will be straight down there .............. We are mad keen to have another dog, or should I say, I am, and having had both springers and a cocker many years ago I am soooooooooooooooo tempted. Please tell me you've found homes for all of them and then I can tell Penny to relax, she is adamant she doesn't want another dog in her house!

Lai

we have a number of people who say they want them but no deposits have been taken yet so as yet they are all still up for grabs, one nice couple say they def want one but have not yet decided which one i think they will have one though but 1 thing i have learnt in todays world is not to rely on what people say to much so we will see. i am in no doubt they will all get homes but at £600 a pup they are not cheap although in my opinion worth every penny 10 times over.
a few people are just like you they want the pups but their partners say no, lol kate being one of them.

They are definitely worth every £££ EG - and I am with Kate 100% - more puppies

I really hope you find some good homes soon, at least with only 3 it should be a little easier.

Lai

Goegeous pics of the girls EG, wheres the little fellow????? nice to hear they are doing well and in true Cocker stylie, moving around a little and causing trouble
Don't blame Sage with her meds, they are never nice and animals never really seem to understand or like the taste do they and as you say, even harder when they bring up casts. Hopefully she will be fully recovered soon and her meds will be finished.
Hope the meeting with the vet was a better outcome than the one the other day.

Thanks for the Amazon link for the book. I have just been on Amazon and ordered the book you recommended and another book on training that was written by Jemima Parry-Jones, never hurts to have lots of info and references. They should be here in 3 - 5 days, so i'm really looking forward to receiving them.

Mmmmm sounds like Lai could well be in the running for one of those beautiful pups if they don't go soon.

littlewid-x-

Hi
glad to hear your books are on their way i am sure you will enjoy reading them & remember if i can help in any way let me know, most of these bird of prey center’s offer owl or raptor handling courses normally around £100 to £150 but if you do decide you would like to do this my charge to you will be £0 it may be a bit far for you but you would be welcome if you did decide it would help. you will find that many of the raptor people can be very full of their own self-importance & dismissive of new people more often pouring cold water on your enthusiasm remembering they started as a novice so don't take that personally i can put you in touch with sellers or sauces of good advice from helpful people you only need ask. oh have now added a pic of the not so little chap now.
WS yeh the link looks good like the cut out look, will be interesting to see if it generates much interest?
the vets thing went ok the girls at the other branch were made up with sage oh how nice it would be to be that popular as sage.

Glad you got the Vets sorted EG, and I dont blame Sage for not liking her meds, who does. I used a cloning tool to wipe out the background of furniture, and photos on the wall, using the wall area with a clear space on the photo. Glad you like it.
WS

HI EG
Good to see the picture of the little chap up there with the girls, he is a real smasher

Good news, my books have arrived they are at my mums as it was easier to get them sent there as she is in and I am back at work, so I will collect them tomorrow on my way home, I can't wait to start reading them.

It's odd that you posted about visiting as I was telling my sister about Sage the other day and she mentioned she would be visiting her friend who breeds cats in Devon, they don't live where you are but i'm sure it's not miles away. I said I would be hitching a lift when she does visit (not sure when yet as she is waiting to see some kittens) and either get her to drop me off at yours or get you to meet me somewhere so I could have a visit with Sage. When I knew the dates I was going to mention it to you but it looks as though in the near future you and Kate and Sage could be having a visitor from down south ......I know WS is now going to recommend to you that you move to a secret address pretty smartly

How is Sage doing now? I hope her tongue is continuing to improve.

littlewid-x-

Hi Sally
I am packing as we speak, lol
Yeh that’s fine let us know when & we can then make the arrangements re trip to meet sage I will send you a private message with my phone number.
Sage seems ok not totally 100% but pretty good but I will keep all informed as the days go by.
Best wishes.
EG & Mrs EG

Oooops, don't think that slipper will fit Sage Glad she is ok and hopefully she will be 100% very soon, is she still on her meds? I have been staring at her feathers, they are simply stunning, that really is a lovely photo of her, she looks very playful as well.
I will definiately give you a call when we are Devon bound so don't move to quickly......take your time
have a good evening and loving the EG & Mrs EG.........You and WS will be starting your own club
littlewid-x-

i got the bbc wildlife mag email today on in it on the left at bottom there was my post. "is the wise old Owl really stupid?" with lots of hits

plus a american bird specialist wanted to use a couple of rare pictures of sage see links (x2)

http://www.avianweb.com/birdoilgland.html

http://www.avianweb.com/canker.html

thought it might interest some people who hadnt read earlier posts

I got the email too EG but hadn't got around to looking at it, I have just had a look and your post has certainly attracted a lot of interest which is really good, it's quite a topic to get people commenting with different views.

Both of those links are really informative and Sage makes for a stunning model. Have you added them to Sages FB page so they get a wider view?

littlewid-x-

Those photos of Sage have really come up well on Avianweb, showing the affect on Sages mouth, and I did'nt know about the Oil Gland that really is interesting. Have'nt checked my emails yet due to on off connections with the weather.
I know where there's a really good WW2 Bomb shelter thats been soundproofed just in case the arrives in your area, and you cant get away in time
WS

Picked up my books today and have had a quick look through. It's interesting that she says not to get a little owl as your first owl. There is loads of info in both books so the weekend is going to be spent having a good read I think.
And WS.....stop giving EG ideas as to where to run away too

littlewid-x-

i hope all sages exposure does not go to her head, i don't want her getting ideas above her station you know wanting an agent & her people contacting your people & all that stuff next she will want to move to a pad with a pool n stuff & def no fancy sunglasses. I have a small digger so I am in the middle of digging my own shelter by the time littlewid gets hear I’ll be well away. I have no experience on little owls but i understand they just want to hide away of course all owls can be a little like that given the choice so if you built a mews & gave it a place to go around the back out of site it would more often be there out of the way as by nature they are shy, I think the little owl is even worse.

Hi ws do with this as you want & paste it where you like

ws check out facebook "the owl pages"

Thanks EG. Great photo of Sage, and thank her for holding the notice. WAA has replied on FB Owls Page thanks for the nudge
WS

i did see you went there, nice one that was the idea