The Marsh Pride, Dec.2012, Masai Mara Kenya
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The Marsh Pride, Dec.2012, Masai Mara Kenya
As the snow is coming down steadily and there is no chance of going anywhere I thought I would post a few photos of my encounter with the Marsh Pride lions on my recent trip to Kenya.
I only left the Mara North Conservancy once and that was a morning game drive into the Mara National Reserve to have a look around the Musiara Marsh in the hope of seeing some of the migrant birds that should have been visiting. However unlike my previous visit in June, when we tried unsuccessfully to get into the Marsh but due to the heavy rains the roads were impassable, this time the Marsh was almost completely dry, due to lack of rain, and there were hardly any birds around.
We did however encounter various members of the Marsh Pride. Our first sighting was of a group of lions spread out and relaxing in the grass with very full bellies after gorging themselves on a nearby carcass. There were three adult females, a large male and numerous cubs. I am not sure exactly how many cubs there were as some were sleeping and hidden by the long grass but I think there were 7 or 8.Two of the females were recognisable as Charm and Sienna but I do not know about the third. Again I am not sure which of the 4 Musketeers the male was, except it was definitely not Scarface. Perhaps someone can help me out on the identity.
After stopping for a very enjoyable breakfast on the banks of the Mara River watching a hippo and her new born calf as well as several huge overfed Nile Crocodiles we soon came across 2 more members of the Marsh Pride. Two females who were lying in wait on the edge of a swampy area in the hope of enticing a passing zebra to visit them!!
Deciding that the 2 lions were probably in for a long wait and as the sun was starting to beat down rather relentlessly we moved on and started to make our way back to the Conservancy only to find 2 more lions relaxing in the shade of a convenient tree. This time a male and a female both looking rather exhausted!! Driving closer, it was obvious that the male was Scarface with his latest girlfriend. His facial disfigurement no detraction from his pulling power!!
It turned out to be one of those typical game drives where you set out in the hope of seeing one thing, in this case birds, and end up constantly bumping into lions!! Game drives are never boring.
Since the takeover of the Marsh Pride by the 4 Musketeers things seem to have settled down again with numerous new cubs and probably a lot more on the way.
Safariman
I only left the Mara North Conservancy once and that was a morning game drive into the Mara National Reserve to have a look around the Musiara Marsh in the hope of seeing some of the migrant birds that should have been visiting. However unlike my previous visit in June, when we tried unsuccessfully to get into the Marsh but due to the heavy rains the roads were impassable, this time the Marsh was almost completely dry, due to lack of rain, and there were hardly any birds around.
We did however encounter various members of the Marsh Pride. Our first sighting was of a group of lions spread out and relaxing in the grass with very full bellies after gorging themselves on a nearby carcass. There were three adult females, a large male and numerous cubs. I am not sure exactly how many cubs there were as some were sleeping and hidden by the long grass but I think there were 7 or 8.Two of the females were recognisable as Charm and Sienna but I do not know about the third. Again I am not sure which of the 4 Musketeers the male was, except it was definitely not Scarface. Perhaps someone can help me out on the identity.
After stopping for a very enjoyable breakfast on the banks of the Mara River watching a hippo and her new born calf as well as several huge overfed Nile Crocodiles we soon came across 2 more members of the Marsh Pride. Two females who were lying in wait on the edge of a swampy area in the hope of enticing a passing zebra to visit them!!
Deciding that the 2 lions were probably in for a long wait and as the sun was starting to beat down rather relentlessly we moved on and started to make our way back to the Conservancy only to find 2 more lions relaxing in the shade of a convenient tree. This time a male and a female both looking rather exhausted!! Driving closer, it was obvious that the male was Scarface with his latest girlfriend. His facial disfigurement no detraction from his pulling power!!
It turned out to be one of those typical game drives where you set out in the hope of seeing one thing, in this case birds, and end up constantly bumping into lions!! Game drives are never boring.
Since the takeover of the Marsh Pride by the 4 Musketeers things seem to have settled down again with numerous new cubs and probably a lot more on the way.
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Re: The Marsh Pride, Dec.2012, Masai Mara Kenya
Yeah the Marsh Pride
More great / lovely photos Safariman, especially loving the light in the second shot, the lioness sitting at the back is particualrly stunning It's great to see the Marsh Pride really thriving now that there are four males to mate with the females, if this doesn't do good for the lion population then nothing will ! How lovely to see a new born Hippo - little but also incredibly big !
Scarface's face has been bad like that for a long time now. Sometimes it seems to get better then it gets worse again. Will certainly agree with you, doesn't seem to detract from his pulling power
I'm sure you didn't mind spending all that time with the lions instead of the birds you were initially looking for
Thanks so much for posting the photos and of course your story
I would say your male lion is Morani . Posted this previously but this is what I use to identify the 4 M's:
Scarface: Needs no descrption.
Hunter: Has a roundish face and a very dark coat, can't miss it.
Morani: Always, unless it rains, has the most unruly hairdo, it sticks up everywhere!
Sikio: Has a clip off the top of his right ear and a scar acoss the top of his nose just below his eyes. The scar may fade in time.
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WOW what a game drive that was safariman, ok no birds which is a shame but bumping into the Marsh Pride like that must have made your heart beat a little faster, what an encounter! Wonderful to see so many cubs and that they all looks so healthy and well fed, it's fantastic. It is also really nice to hear tat things have settled down since the takeover as that was all rather dramatic and sad really but at least they are thriving and growing as a Pride.
Doogs is always good at spotting which of the Muskateers it is, she should be employed as a spotter
A baby Hippo is also so exciting, I imagine that was a real joy to see, I m a Hippo fan!
What is nice about all of those photos is that they all look so relaxed as well which is lovely.
Thanks safariman, on a very cold and snowy day that has added a lot of cheer
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Doogs is always good at spotting which of the Muskateers it is, she should be employed as a spotter
A baby Hippo is also so exciting, I imagine that was a real joy to see, I m a Hippo fan!
What is nice about all of those photos is that they all look so relaxed as well which is lovely.
Thanks safariman, on a very cold and snowy day that has added a lot of cheer
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Great photos and story, thanks for sharing them with us. I will always have a soft spot for the Marsh Pride, so it's lovely to see them all and to know life in the pride is settling down now.
Doogs - gold for being our ace spotter and thanks for the reminder of who is who amongst the 4 Ms.
It's always the way when you want to see something that you see something else, but that is the joy of a safari - I love the fact that you just happen to come across animals/birds and never know what you will next bump into.
Thanks again Safariman - definitely a good use of your time on a snowy day.
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Doogs - gold for being our ace spotter and thanks for the reminder of who is who amongst the 4 Ms.
It's always the way when you want to see something that you see something else, but that is the joy of a safari - I love the fact that you just happen to come across animals/birds and never know what you will next bump into.
Thanks again Safariman - definitely a good use of your time on a snowy day.
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Thanks for the ID Doogs. I always find it difficult to work out which lion is which as particularly the males are always fighting either over food or females and pick up new scars and ear nicks all the time. The experts always say you should look at the whisker pattern which is unique to an individual but unless you have a guide to work from this is of no use. I know the Mara Predator Project website has a list of most of the Mara lions with their distinguishing marks and whisker pattern but it is not up to date and does not include the 4 Musketeers. It is easier to recognise leopards as their spot markings above their whiskers are again unique and easier to see.
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How fantastic to see the Marsh Pride Safariman. That's an I wish for me. The Pride really do seem to have settled down now, and thats great news with so many new Cubs coming along increasing the gene pool of Lions from new, and different Males. I should think that the Pride will be settled for a long time now with four strong Males as protectors. The only ones that could endanger that, is a something like the Notch Boys if they returned to the marsh, but I cant see that. Which reminds me there does'nt seem to have been much news about Notch, and his sons lately. Well done Doogs you deserve a WAA spotting award . A question with Leopards is the necklace individual as well as the spots above the whiskers ?
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Safariman! Great stories and pictures once again
I would have loved to have seen the baby hippo, as like LW I'm quite a fan
I laughed a lot at Scarface's appearance not detracting from his pulling power
Wonderful that the pride has many growing cubs. They seem to have a good future ahead.
I would have loved to have seen the baby hippo, as like LW I'm quite a fan
I laughed a lot at Scarface's appearance not detracting from his pulling power
Wonderful that the pride has many growing cubs. They seem to have a good future ahead.
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Re: The Marsh Pride, Dec.2012, Masai Mara Kenya
WS I am not sure about the necklace on leopards. Part of the problem is that you do not always see the necklace, particularly if the leopard is lying down whereas as long as you can see the head you can usually see the whisker spots. Quite often you will find that a leopard has 3 spots on one side and only 2 or 1and a half on the other which makes identification fairly easy as long as you have a guide to work from.
With cheetahs for a definite id. you need to check the the order and size of the black and white tail rings which is not very easy as you very rarely see all the tail and if you do it is never still!
I have posted the photo of the hippo and her new baby for LW and GR.
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With cheetahs for a definite id. you need to check the the order and size of the black and white tail rings which is not very easy as you very rarely see all the tail and if you do it is never still!
I have posted the photo of the hippo and her new baby for LW and GR.
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Thanks Safariman I know from Big Cat Diarys that its usualy the whisker spots that are used for identification, as you say it's not easy to see the necklace, it's just something I wondered about. I did,nt know you identified Cheetahs by the tail rings, and that must be difficult as their tails are not visable completely, or they are traveling at 60mph . Cracking shot of the baby Hippo, and Mum
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Thankyou for the pic of baby hippo. It made me :) even though it's a little bigger than I expected!
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that's what I said about Hippo's GR - they maybe baby's but they are still BIG !!!
Safariman, I hope you don't mind but I'm beginning to doubt myself that your male might be Morani so I'm going to post it on FB for some 'experts' to clarify. I'm going to put the photo on with my name attached to it so just to let you know I'm doing this purely to get a proper ID. I'll confirm exactly who it is when I find out.
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Safariman, I hope you don't mind but I'm beginning to doubt myself that your male might be Morani so I'm going to post it on FB for some 'experts' to clarify. I'm going to put the photo on with my name attached to it so just to let you know I'm doing this purely to get a proper ID. I'll confirm exactly who it is when I find out.
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Good idea Doogs - just spotted your post. It looks like I'm stalking you, as I'm just a few minutes behind you!
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No problem Doogs, I will await the "definitive" ID. It will also help my own records. Many thanks.
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Safariman, I wasn't sure if you would post the picture so that has really been a great surprise this evening and I love it. I adore adult Hippos but the little ones are just so gorgeous, even though they are big babies! he looks quite worn out there doesn't he but he is a beauty, there really is something about those little ears and eyes and although they are not everyones cup of tea I do think they have such cute faces and for some reason I always think there is a lot going on in a Hippos mind even though they do often look as though they are wallowing around.
Cheers for that Safariman
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Cheers for that Safariman
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Lai, you're a so no surprises that you are a of stalkery as well as ing!
A lot going on in a hippo's mind hey LW! Something to ponder, and you may be right
A lot going on in a hippo's mind hey LW! Something to ponder, and you may be right
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Safariman - One of the 'experts' has said the following about your picture :
Hi Lynn..Nearly certain this is Sikio. It's a great photo, but the whisker pattern is not that easy to see. The top line of Sikio's whisker pattern is also pretty non descript, basically just a relitively straight line. Morani has an extra 2 spots above his top row.
But..The way I was able to tell for almost certainty was the black dots on his nose and where exactly they are..lol..I know that sounds crazy and I would never use this alone to try and ID a lion, but they are exactly in the same location as the pics of Sikio I have..If you could get a higher resolution, we could probably say for 100%..
Just as well I checked !!! I think this may mean I've got your other ones round the wrong way that you posted previously - 'cause I looked at the nose markings and that's why I said it was Morani
I've posted the same photo but a close-up of it to see if that helps for a 100% ID
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Hi Lynn..Nearly certain this is Sikio. It's a great photo, but the whisker pattern is not that easy to see. The top line of Sikio's whisker pattern is also pretty non descript, basically just a relitively straight line. Morani has an extra 2 spots above his top row.
But..The way I was able to tell for almost certainty was the black dots on his nose and where exactly they are..lol..I know that sounds crazy and I would never use this alone to try and ID a lion, but they are exactly in the same location as the pics of Sikio I have..If you could get a higher resolution, we could probably say for 100%..
Just as well I checked !!! I think this may mean I've got your other ones round the wrong way that you posted previously - 'cause I looked at the nose markings and that's why I said it was Morani
I've posted the same photo but a close-up of it to see if that helps for a 100% ID
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It's Sikio !
"For sure it is Sikio Lynn..I can now in your pic see that one top dot a little better too..Feel pretty confident in saying your boy is Sikio".
"For sure it is Sikio Lynn..I can now in your pic see that one top dot a little better too..Feel pretty confident in saying your boy is Sikio".
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Thanks for the detective work Doogs, its great to know that he is "Sikio".
I have posted another pic. of him, the highlights are slightly blown out due to over exposure but the whisker pattern is easier to see.
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I have posted another pic. of him, the highlights are slightly blown out due to over exposure but the whisker pattern is easier to see.
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Doogs - good work, a regular Miss Marple
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heaps for the Mrs Kipia
And that is incredible detective work Doogsy. You're a regular Veronica Mars.
It's going to be big odds on anyone having heard of her
And that is incredible detective work Doogsy. You're a regular Veronica Mars.
It's going to be big odds on anyone having heard of her
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So I googled it
I would have loved that, I watch all the detective thingys.
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The series is set in the fictional town of Neptune, California, and stars Kristen Bell as the title character, a student who progresses from high school to college while moonlighting as a private investigator under the tutelage of her detective father. In each episode, Veronica solves a different stand-alone case while working to solve a more complex mystery. The first two seasons of the series each had a season-long mystery arc, introduced in the first episode of the season and solved in the season finale. The third season took a different format, focusing on smaller mystery arcs that would last the course of several episodes.
I would have loved that, I watch all the detective thingys.
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You are really getting into my good books now
It was such a terrific show, and in fact just the other day I was getting a craving to get these DVD's back out and watch them again! I have watched all the episodes at least twice. It's got a great mix of cleverness and cool. It's really a show that targeted a young female audience (WS is really going to worry about me now ), but I totally got into it. The lead actress Kristen Bell is outstanding as Veronica, though I have seen her in a couple of other things and was rather underwhelmed...
It was such a shame when this show disappeared after three seasons because it had so much potential in its future, with Veronica now finishing her studies and off to the FBI (if I remember correctly). There has long been talk of a movie also, but that never eventuated.
I don't watch all the detective thingys, but am very obsessed with three. As well as VM, there is The X-Files and Inspector Morse (plus follow up Lewis) of which I have all the DVD's and have watched the eps multiple times. I can definitely get obsessed about particular thingys!
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It was such a terrific show, and in fact just the other day I was getting a craving to get these DVD's back out and watch them again! I have watched all the episodes at least twice. It's got a great mix of cleverness and cool. It's really a show that targeted a young female audience (WS is really going to worry about me now ), but I totally got into it. The lead actress Kristen Bell is outstanding as Veronica, though I have seen her in a couple of other things and was rather underwhelmed...
It was such a shame when this show disappeared after three seasons because it had so much potential in its future, with Veronica now finishing her studies and off to the FBI (if I remember correctly). There has long been talk of a movie also, but that never eventuated.
I don't watch all the detective thingys, but am very obsessed with three. As well as VM, there is The X-Files and Inspector Morse (plus follow up Lewis) of which I have all the DVD's and have watched the eps multiple times. I can definitely get obsessed about particular thingys!
Like this forum
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PP. Lewis is on at the moment, a new series and I love it. I used to watch the X Files, where did that go? Some of our detective thingys are not so good but I always give them a go. Midsomer Murders is almost funny as at least 3 or 4 people get murdered but I still love it, that's also on at the moment so I am happy!
I will have to see if VM is on somewhere amongst the hundreds of channels there are so many repeats being constantly repeated, it's like Groundhog Day!
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I will have to see if VM is on somewhere amongst the hundreds of channels there are so many repeats being constantly repeated, it's like Groundhog Day!
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